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  • dara_like_sara avatar

    What outcome do you hope for? I was on a call for the last hour talking with a friend about supporting a vision he has. 

    At the end of the call, he asked "what are you hoping to get out of this?"

    I found the question really hard to answer in a way that makes any sense at all.

    My answer to the questions comes in feelings, images, and body sensations. I see a bowl overflowing, I feel a magnetic pull, I experience a sense of duty, I follow synchronicities, I release and this is what came to me. One of my purposes in this life is to bring people together, especially really smart people. I don't have a goal, and if I did, I am sure it would change. I want to be of service to a vision of the best future possible.

    I'm after the experience. My vision will fill out along the way. 

    When I can't frame the answer in an intelligible way, it causes doubt- maybe this isn't right? Maybe my intuition would have a clearer answer if this were the right path. Maybe I'm cutoff from what outcomes I hope for and need to work on getting more in touch with my desires. Am I too scared to name a desired outcome for fear of being letdown if it doesn't come true?

    But I want to try on that the question may just be the wrong question for me. Or that my answer to the question isn't going to sound like what I've heard from other people. 

    Sharing here, and open to others experience of answering this question. How do you know what you want? 

    And if you know me, happy to hear your perspective on my specific psychology or what you think is going on 🤔

    CoachWebb13•...

    That you might steal his idea

    interpersonal relationships
    ethics and trust
    plagiarism and intellectual property
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  • dara_like_sara avatar

    What outcome do you hope for? I was on a call for the last hour talking with a friend about supporting a vision he has. 

    At the end of the call, he asked "what are you hoping to get out of this?"

    I found the question really hard to answer in a way that makes any sense at all.

    My answer to the questions comes in feelings, images, and body sensations. I see a bowl overflowing, I feel a magnetic pull, I experience a sense of duty, I follow synchronicities, I release and this is what came to me. One of my purposes in this life is to bring people together, especially really smart people. I don't have a goal, and if I did, I am sure it would change. I want to be of service to a vision of the best future possible.

    I'm after the experience. My vision will fill out along the way. 

    When I can't frame the answer in an intelligible way, it causes doubt- maybe this isn't right? Maybe my intuition would have a clearer answer if this were the right path. Maybe I'm cutoff from what outcomes I hope for and need to work on getting more in touch with my desires. Am I too scared to name a desired outcome for fear of being letdown if it doesn't come true?

    But I want to try on that the question may just be the wrong question for me. Or that my answer to the question isn't going to sound like what I've heard from other people. 

    Sharing here, and open to others experience of answering this question. How do you know what you want? 

    And if you know me, happy to hear your perspective on my specific psychology or what you think is going on 🤔

    CoachWebb13•...

    Sounds like your friend thought you might have ulterior motives maybe they are not confident about their vision 

    interpersonal relationships
    communication and conflict
    trust and motives
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  • sness avatar

    Hello! And a question on measuring the quality of a connection. Hi Uptrusters! Sara here, joining for the conversations (debates? connections? community?) and because I’ve been frothing to see the inside of this platform ever since Jordan told me about it 🤤.

    Since I imagine the best way to say hello here is to start an interesting conversation, here’s something I’ve been noodling on lately.

    Right now I’m doing a bunch of research on loneliness and social isolation (two different things, as it turns out!) to write an article on How to make friends for the publication Clearer Thinking, which i think does the best independent psychological research and tool development of anywhere I know. In case you want more context for this post, here is the draft of the first half of the article, posted on my Substack while I’m working on it. https://authenticrevolutionary.substack.com/p/how-to-make-friends-part-1-inner?r=34w9f

    There are a few research questions that have come up for me as I do this, areas of study that I think could be more explored and would be exciting to look at if we ever have Ph.Ds or grant funding for our field. If this topic interests people lmk and I’ll post more of the questions.

    Here’s one I’ve been thinking on. There are a number of studies that look at how social connectedness, whether strong or weak-tie, affects health and happiness.

    However, the metrics they use to ASSESS social connectedness seem…maybe incomplete, to me? For instance, I was reading a study this week on how the quality of conversations affects happiness and a sense of connection (study available here, if you want to read the results: https://psycnet.apa.org/manuscript/2019-62902-001.pdf)

    The metrics they used to assess quality of connection were:
    - Self-disclosure
    - Depth of conversation (rated from superficial to substantive)
    - Liking of the other person
    - Prior knowledge of the other person

    So here’s my question. What other metrics, if any, do you think would be pertinent to assessing the quality of a connection?

    Tamara Sofia Falcone•...
    Perhaps something in the direction of perceived emotional security/reliability or availability of support? The metrics they're using make connection seem like something that only exists in the moment of interaction, and that comes with no strings attached, no expectations etc....
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  • UpTrust AdminSA•...

    Transcript from Hannah Taylor AMA: Influence Is Having a Great Time Right Now

    A live recorded conversation on UpTrust between Jordan Myska Allen and Hannah Aline Taylor. ---- On Saying "I Love You" [00:00:00] Hannah: Can we agree on reality? Oh — hi! Jordan: So happy that we're live here with you. I love you, so that's enough for me to be super happy....
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    mindfulness and spirituality
    communication and conflict resolution
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  • Shera JoyCry•...

    Beyond Inner Work: Relational Awareness and the Practice of Relateful Personal development trains inner awareness. Relateful trains relational awareness.

    Beyond Inner Work: Relational Awareness and the Practice of Relateful Personal development trains inner awareness. Relateful trains relational awareness....
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    interpersonal relationships
    mindfulness and contemplative practices
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Liv Boeree on incentive traps, game theory, and win-wins. AMA with Liv Boeree -poker champion with a background in astrophysics here to slay Molog- & Jordan Myska Allen on incentive traps, game theory, and win-wins | UpTrust launch event | #heywait, can we do better?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q3FLIvszOs
    joshuaSA•...
    so your opinion needs to be proved to that person and if you have to do it within violence. it doesn't change their opinion it just makes them fear you. To an act revenge....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    sass•...

    Collaborative calibration of self? (& potentially embracing the opportunity to learn more about another person's beingness from these moments too?)

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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    Hannah Aline Taylor•...
    So this is the kind of negativity I'll call negativity. A negative interaction for me is one that continually references what is missing or wrong, seeking or finding holes in the connection/cohesion/argument/understanding and expanding on where we don't agree rather than tracking...
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    JulieI•...
    You had said something from wihich I drew a negative inference... that questions made you feel criticized or pressed to think. Which is why I ask them. In my experience, many people  are not thinking enough; about what they do or say; or 'want' vs need....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    jordanSA•...

    i dont think you said that, and i didn't think you thought that either! personally I saw it was an "alley oop" that offered a great reflection, so im grateful for it

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    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    JulieI•...
    Dangerous territory here, but... Hannah, you seem quite committed to being right or, perhaps better language, to not entertaining approaches I have suggested in this exchange....
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    communication skills
    conflict resolution
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Hannah Aline Taylor. Wednesday 2/4 at 4:00 PM CT

    love, boundaries, and mistakes in relating, community, and peopling together (+ thank god love doesn’t look like you expect it to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYNL05PRBQ
    JulieI•...
    I would offer that mindfulness of communications as a see-saw (intention <-> Perception) restores some control and reapportions responsibility for change and balance more reasonably....
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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with Jeffrey Ladish. Wednesday 2/4 at 2:00 PM CT

    Executive director of Palisade Research; studying AI loss of control risks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfhq3r7Cz0
    jordanSA•...

    i appreciate the "anything" of these questions and hope Pete asks them! If he doesn't we'll see if we can get Jeffrey to respond via text later

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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    What is the 'Metacrisis' and How Do We Solve It? (AMA). Rewatch the live AMA conversation with Layman Pascal 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyq_ZfdtTmg
    JulieI•...
    Thank you for being appreciative. I sometimes think that we are much to prepared for any question, or request that we question/examine something, is perceived as (a prelude to) an attack rather than a (perhaps older) employment as an invitation to dialogue....
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    conflict resolution
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  • B

    Relatefulness vs Circling. I've been discovering distinctions and felt-senses of Relatefulness that seem to differ from how I know Circling. My short catch phrase is: "If meditation is the art of being, and Circling is the art of being-with, then Relatefulness is the art of being-human-with."

    I like this, it's short and sweet. I can't tell what Relatefulness really is vs what I'm making it and, given that I'm a founding member, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna bully these points.

    Jane Goodall is in more Flows than she is in Surrendered Leadership. Helping behavior, care, needs, art, and the building of infracstructure are welcomed in Relatefulness. One thing I notice about Circling, if person A offers person B something, person A is (at least culturally) more likely to ask, "What's underneath it for you?", as if they're asking, "What's this cocaine cut with?" It's rarely believed in Circling if the underneath isn't negative. If the offering Circler says, "Care", then most Circlers assume a spiritual bypass and probably imagine being less sexually attractive (sarcasm). In Relatefulness I'm creating that, Person A offers Person B something, Person B, taking notes from Hannah Taylor, feels whether accepting feels like comfort and then accepts or declines accordingly. 

    In Relatefulness we let the responsibility for shadow-hunting be with the one offering. It's a huge leap to believe that accepting something is bad because the offer had some shadow somewhere inside of it. It's actually a ridiculous leap. It's stupid. The shadow could just as easily be ameliorated by seeing its energy flow generatively or made worse by non-rational repetitive rejection.

    Boom. Suck it. (I don't know who I'm angry at....myself.)

    Last night as I was leading lab it felt amazing. I was watching them float in and out of chit chat. The thing that wasn't in and out was everything they were talking about was meaningful. There wasn't anyone there, besides a voice in my mind, that was tracking whether they were using speech patterns of immediacy, "Being here now, I feel like my balls haven't descended." They were just talking. I did not police it because it felt so fucking good. We're monkeys and we feel good. What I did do was use immediacy leaning language and speak it between people. I let people see the effect and never brought up them following. If it's good and it works then they'll follow at their aligned speed.

    I stayed in slight vigilance as the thing in my brain that polices immediacy, or is on the lookout from being policed, slowly calmed down. It was beautiful.

    In short, Relatefulness is more about being monkeys than monks, healthy than right, in alignment than understood.

    Pass the bananas!

    Robbie Carlton•...
    One thing I notice about Circling, if person A offers person B something, person A is (at least culturally) more likely to ask, "What's underneath it for you?", as if they're asking, "What's this cocaine cut with?" It's rarely believed in Circling if the underneath isn't...
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    interpersonal relationships
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  • blasomenessphemy•...

    Relatefulness vs Circling

    I've been discovering distinctions and felt-senses of Relatefulness that seem to differ from how I know Circling. My short catch phrase is: "If meditation is the art of being, and Circling is the art of being-with, then Relatefulness is the art of being-human-with." I like this,...
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    emotional intelligence
    interpersonal relationships
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  • Arun avatar

    What are your secret internal moves, your cues? I'm eternally curious about how we navigate our worlds, and the tricks, jumps, hops, and skips we use.

    Sports coaches have cues for all kinds of things. "Follow through" in golf, tennis, and throwing generally. "Chest up, hips back, knees out" for a back squat. "Light feet" or "quick feet" for agility training. 

    These cues aren't attempting to be accurate descriptions of the world from a physics point of view. They're an attitude/orientation that helps a human do a thing a little better.

    My contention: we each are an entire compendium of little skill orientations that we use all the time. But because they're second nature and interior, they're funcionally invisible and don't often get shared or talked about.

    Wouldn't it be neat if we talked about them?

    Some examples from me:

    • "Can I do this with less effort?" Physically, this applies to anything. Sitting, pooping, walking, standing, reading. It's an immediate invitation into my body and more relaxation. There is often habitual extraneous muscular/mental/emotional tension in the system.
    • If I'm feeling small, stuck, contracted, tense – it can often help to "get as big as the room". It's not something to really think about or analyze too much. Just… become as big as the room. When I do so, there's often more space for the knotted stuff to just be and/or move. This also works great even when things are good.
    • I don't have a convenient handle for this one, but it's something like: "fall into wonder as you observe (from within) your body just doing simple things". Doing the dishes or making coffee could be a chore – or I can switch into looking through this lens and just be astonished at how intricate and skillful the dance of it all is. There's no way I could thinkmanage it all, and yet somehow it all happens anyway.

    So what are your cues? Nothing is too simple, silly, or obvious.

     

    jordanSA•...
    Here are three oldies but goodies: "Stop thinking." I notice i'm thinking and i simply stop and experience as rawly as possible. Similar to having a focused gaze and unfocusing my eyes, I notice my thoughts are focused and I unfocus them....
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  • tommy avatar
    Living the fast life, addicted to the rush and the dopamine, disconnected from my soul. I’m doing it the hard way. I could do all the same things but be dancing my way through it
    brianSA•...

    That touches me tommy. It seems like even when you're disconnected, that part of you recognizes it, and posted this?

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  • jordan avatar

    Ordinary Love. An invitation to true wellness culture

    Postmodernity is too egocentric. This includes current “spiritual” trends.

    Here’s what an alternative can look like: Yesterday Dara asked Jason to install a window A/C unit in Val’s room; he came over and did it. Last night a participant shared struggling with a contract at work, and a lawyer in the session volunteered to help her redline it. My sister watches the kids while I help my brother-in-law move their furniture to make room for the new baby. If this doesn’t sound special, that’s the point. You’re already doing this, that’s also the point.

    I’m not writing to admonish us to “get rid” of the “ego”—a particular self-identity*. I think it’s too hard for modern Americans, steeped in a culture of individualism. I love life, people, experience, and I think a good life includes a sense of “me.” Instead, I want to expand the sense of self to go much beyond the concept of “my body, my history” to see the larger whole these are part of. One upshot of this is gratitude, even for what I usually think of as “Jordan’s”—like these thoughts thunk in English. I needed English to think ‘em, so how much are they ‘mine’? 

    Automated & consensual narrative lock-in

    We know that social media exacerbated this. Many studies show narcissism and loneliness increasing faster with mass adoption of social media, especially after 2012. Young kids don’t want to serve as a fireman or doctor anymore, they want to be adored as an influencer (We’re working on this social media problem by launching UpTrust). 

    Now I worry that AI is exponentiating this self-reification trend to unprecedented levels.

    Last week I met four people who were convinced that their personal ChatGPT interface, molding its “personality” to respond based on their unique interactions, was a sentient being. If you think our filter bubbles are bad now, imagine what it’s like when we have 8 billion of them? Each individual’s personal collection of bots reinforcing whatever identity feels special, safe, and comfortable, no matter how limited and delusional?

    There’s nothing wrong with specialness, safety, and comfort, but neither is there anything wrong with ordinariness, risk, and discomfort. Transformation, life, intimacy, and play all demand both. Are we bleaching the color of life in pursuit of maintaining a self? What are we so afraid of that we hide from becoming? Life is transformation. Relating requires and changes our uniqueness. Other people providing friction and challenge—that’s a service, freely given to all at birth.

    Perhaps the trap isn’t narcissism. It’s any reification of identity via any narrative frame, especially spiritual ones, designed to parade as if they’re narrative-free. And the cost is ordinary love.

    Transcend and exclude often means we fall back into less maturity

    I’m still trying to get my mind and language around this, so I’m going to highlight the contrast to see the phenomena more clearly. Does your coach / (AI) therapist / culture / practice help you:

    • Express more gratitude? Become more forgiving? Be more accepting of others’ flaws? “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court”?
      Or say you should be treated a very particular way (reifying a victim identity?)

    • Build infrastructure that’s super helpful but unsexy? Do things that are good for others without recognition? Feed those who are hungry? Do mundane things for the local whole like pick up trash that’s not yours?
      Or build a marketing funnel that will help you promote yourself and perpetuate the ‘me’ ‘me’ ‘me’ cycle? 

    • Love your friends and family better? Accept being misunderstood? Show up to their events and support their successes? Take care of them when they’re sick? Be more generous? Patient, humble, respectful, loyal, temperate? Maintain commitments regardless of feelings?
      Or emphasize your in-the-moment desire above all else, calling impulsivity and self-centeredness ‘surrender’?

    • Develop boundaries as expressions of love and connection? Face challenges with grace and acceptance? Take responsibility for your pain, flaws, mistakes, shadows, and limitations?
      Or use "boundaries" to control others and force them to change according to your preferences?

    • Admit ignorance, learn from criticism, hold your beliefs lightly, speak simply about profound experiences, work steadily without needing dramatic breakthroughs, notice your defensive patterns without performatively announcing them, contribute to social understanding, love others as they are?
      Or position yourself as having rare insights to help others transcend their limitations through your techniques and advice?

    This list can go on; I wish I could speak to the connection and community side more but I’m stuck in my own bias. 

    I’m not saying it’s easy, we of course need guides, mentors, feedback–it’s so complicated! Nor am I saying its special—all of this has been said for thousands of years! I’m trying to highlight a healthy version of one pole and unhealthy versions of another on purpose to get more clarity on where we are deeply unbalanced today. This is especially true of ‘spiritual’ hotbeds like San Francisco, Boulder, Ubud, Amsterdam. Austin is somewhat counterbalanced by its Texas-ness—cowboy culture still emphasizes family, duty and sacrifice to a greater good beyond ‘you’. Plus our immigrants are a little more integrated.

    What’s up with me?

    Anyway, I ask myself: Why do I care?

    Sure, practices purported to transcend ego instead teach self-absorption. But it’s in the name— "personal growth" and “self-help.” What’s got me?

    Because I’m guilty of all of this. 

    Sometimes despite my best efforts, I’ve taught people to ignore their minds in order to stay with the sensations of their bodies (rather than integrating them); to ‘surrender’ to their feelings-in-the-moment and ignore larger consequences or agreements and the greater wholes that hold them. I’ve corrected a lot of these mistakes, made amends, even evolved the practice and training. Yet I still can’t quite escape the selfishness of ‘wellness’ culture. Prime example: a couple years ago we hosted a “Give Fest” at the Relateful Studio in Austin with a reverse silent auction, where people bid on what they wanted to give to a local nonprofit. Even my wife and I didn’t follow through on what we ‘won.’

    Let us redefine wellness and self-development. Let us change the metrics to gratitude, forgiveness, acceptance of our and others' flaws, showing up for family, friendship, and our greater communities. Let us celebrate unglamorous, unwitnessed interdependence.

    Three alternatives: what is it all for?

    Burning Man is actually a great example of a positive alternative. The economy is about gifting—and after your first year, it’s well known that to get the most out of the experience, you need to give. People camp in communities, build massive art projects and cars together, and give them freely without credit, burning them at the end. It’s all about creating for the whole, being present with each other in non-transactional relating. All of this disrupts the self-reification loops in such a way that people are consistently shaken from long held encumbrances, and come out of the desert transformed. I say this as an admirer but not a fanatic—I went to Black Rock City in 2012 and 2014, and then didn’t go again.

    Relatefulness

    Relatefulness, especially in Level Up ⬆’s Leadership Program and the The Relateful Coaching Training, does not fall into these problem nearly as badly as almost every other community I’ve seen. We claim our directionality of truth + love. This means the personal can’t be number one—individual expression and growth is always in service of something greater. Of course we make mistakes. (For example, the Level Up structure highlighted individualism. We’ll be returning to a cohort-only model this Fall—more on that in a future email). But we’ve done a really good job focusing on being with what is, especially relationally and communally. 

    We don’t abandon compassion and honesty in service of making sure people feel seen, heard, cultivating a ‘safe space,’ or maintaining instagram-defined-trauma-therapy-norms. This is hard, because I not only want people to feel seen, heard, safe, and heal, I think it’s crucial for a healthy community and for the true pursuit of truth and love. It just needs to be in service of love/truth, rather than an end unto itself. It needs to come authentically from the moment, not as a script or status signal or performance. We run into generative friction embracing the seeming paradox of this polarity all the time, and it is incredibly demanding of our facilitators to walk this tight rope. It demands that we are always changing, individually as leaders, as a community, and even the practice itself. Even our coaching teaches revealing identity commitments, inherently making the self an object in a larger self that can choose “yes” or “no” to, versus reinforcing a self and an existing worldview.

    And even as we teach people how to meta-narrate as a way to witness and disembed themselves from unconscious habits that have been running them, we recognize that the compulsion to name and categorize experiences—spiritual or otherwise—often becomes a form of conceptual possession, serving self preservation rather than self-transformation.

    Frozen
    The Disney movie Frozen shows another fantastic example of a healthy alternative. (I just watched the Broadway version with my kids this weekend, so it's fresh on my mind). 

    In my view, the critical part of Elsa moving from “Conceal don’t reveal” to “Let it Go” is not about self-expression, it's about surrendering the need to control, particularly others’ reactions to her true nature. As a result she loves what she previously saw as her shame (her ice power), an identity transformation that eliminates the victim-perpetrator dynamic entirely and unlocks her ability to use her power for everyone’s benefit.

    But of course the most incredible part is reframing the trope of “true love”—not just from romantic to familial love, but about the act of loving others. The secret that ‘healed’ Anna’s frozen heart wasn’t receiving ‘true love’ from someone else, but her performing a selfless act of true love herself. Even better, she truly loved the one who accidentally caused the curse in the first place, in a show of what I like to call “true forgiveness”—there was never any threat to love’s presence in the first place. So in some real sense, nothing to forgive. Family love, particularly love that endures despite harm, represents the ordinary, unglamorous love that doesn't depend on worthiness or reciprocity (romantic love ideally is the same, but often feels like something we need to earn or could lose). 

    Oh and there’s the wonderful Olaf, as a projection of the best of Anna and Elsa’s innocence in childhood. And I love that it’s not spiritual :)
     

    True spirituality isn’t spiritual (and is definitely not about ‘me’)

    As usual, I’m writing this for myself as much as anyone. Can I experience states of fundamental wellbeing, help others, and act with virtue and integrity without any internal or external narration / validation? Without needing it to be spiritual development? Who would be accumulating spiritual experiences or qualities anyway, and what would they be good for if not to benefit the whole of existence?

    Can all of my mastery lead me to being completely ordinary? Not needing actions to be recognized as anything, even by myself, I respond to what's in front of me without overlaying (spiritual) significance.

    And can I not do that for the sake of development either? If I notice that self-referential trap, may I love myself in it and move on with the normal good stuff of living. The self-referential loop is infinite if I engage it.

    Instead, let me show up lovingly for the sake of itself, because that’s what love does.

     

    —

    *Although that is a path that can work for some people like Byron Katie or Eckhart Tolle, it’s a hard one to “do” because the will that acts needs to eventually be transcended. In both of their histories, their dissolution was more done to them.

     


    (this will be sent out to my #TTT email in a couple of days, but UpTrust gets the early exclusive ;) )

    Shera JoyCry•...
    Am very curious bout the bias towards understanding.  It feels good to understand - like solving a puzzle or winning something?  And does it bring us closer? Feeling seen... comes to mind, being understood....
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  • Sara Schultz avatar

    Boycotting Explanation. I've been experimenting lately with refusing to explain in relationship.

    I was raised by a lawyer and legal assistant and in the context of my upbringing being able to explain myself and my experience/emotions/etc (and implicitly justify myself) was my ticket to my experiences/emotions/etc being received as valid, worthy of care and attention, and so on. 

    I have a hunch that this taught me to collude to manipulate/be manipulated by the habit/expectation of explanation - the implicit currency of justification seems possibly insidious and so far, since I've experimented with abstaining from it, otherwise unnecessary. 

    #quicktakes

    emmzzz•...
    Boycotting explanations entirely is something I wouldn't be able to commit to fully. I believe that we decide who gets our explanations. I initially thought that I needed to feel justified/ validated when expressing how I felt....
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